tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post1898443934052709606..comments2023-07-17T11:55:51.363+02:00Comments on ObservingGreece: The Miraculous Greek Merchant Fleet!kleinguthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12491174042954678023noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-80042285754724827452018-02-12T10:34:35.125+01:002018-02-12T10:34:35.125+01:00Yet another paradox. Greeks abhor capitalism, glob...Yet another paradox. Greeks abhor capitalism, globalism, big business and foreign influence, but they adore their ship owners. Success by proxy?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-36563900462354468272018-02-10T19:01:56.979+01:002018-02-10T19:01:56.979+01:00To Urs February 10, 2018 at 3:04 PM
And...To Urs February 10, 2018 at 3:04 PM<br /><br />And...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-37851735766883322132018-02-10T17:19:47.030+01:002018-02-10T17:19:47.030+01:00No problem! First we are going to make you pay for...No problem! First we are going to make you pay for all the feasibility studies of the EuroAsia and EuroAfrica cable interconnectors through Cyprus, then fund their construction along with the EastMed gas pipeline so we can transport the stuff for free and then we will give you a glorious kick in the pants. I have zero problems with this excellent idea.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-66960128255753195062018-02-10T17:16:19.196+01:002018-02-10T17:16:19.196+01:00What negotiations with Europe? What sort of nonsen...What negotiations with Europe? What sort of nonsense is this that Greece is in negotiation or has to negotiate with a geographical destination?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-64935864961212126832018-02-10T15:04:28.916+01:002018-02-10T15:04:28.916+01:00@Anonymous February 8, 2018 at 8:27 PM
1. Low taxe...@Anonymous February 8, 2018 at 8:27 PM<br />1. Low taxes<br />2. Political stability<br />3. First class infrastructure<br /><br />UrsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-37789762920142913662018-02-10T15:02:14.190+01:002018-02-10T15:02:14.190+01:00@ Anonymous February 8, 2018 at 2:32 PM:
I would ...@ Anonymous February 8, 2018 at 2:32 PM:<br /><br />I would be amused that the greek oil and gas delusion is still alive. But I understand that it is easier to dream up hidden riches than to get your elites to pay their taxes.<br /><br />Urs Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-61459190507123182152018-02-10T14:53:57.634+01:002018-02-10T14:53:57.634+01:00@ Anonymous February 8, 2018 at 2:16 PM
So shippi...@ Anonymous February 8, 2018 at 2:16 PM<br /><br />So shipping companies have no bank accounts, headquarters, management, owners? So why on earth are we talking about the "Greek Merchant Fleet"? Your claim, that shipping companies can not be taxed because of the nature of their business is absurd.<br /><br />UrsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-61411378190718066372018-02-09T10:46:49.024+01:002018-02-09T10:46:49.024+01:00That Greece has USD 7 trillion worth of goods in t...That Greece has USD 7 trillion worth of goods in their backyard, and the world fleet to transport them, do change the power balance in the negotiations with Europe. In fact it makes a good case for leaving the EU and EZ, I wonder if I could tempt you to let Europe sail it's own sea and keep it all for yourself? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-42173633675812210502018-02-09T08:53:20.526+01:002018-02-09T08:53:20.526+01:00@ KK.
On the basis of facts you would make that as...@ KK.<br />On the basis of facts you would make that assumption, but mentioning facts would then seem obnoxious.<br />Lennard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-53970472568590048292018-02-08T23:05:13.542+01:002018-02-08T23:05:13.542+01:00Let's forget for a second the "miraculous...Let's forget for a second the "miraculous Greek merchant fleet" and let's talk logistics instead.<br /><br />According to this article the new logistics market in Greece has the potential of 30% to GDP, in other words, 3 times the GDP impact of the Greek heavy industry we know as tourism.<br /><br />http://www.ypodomes.com/index.php/metafores/odikes-logistics/item/45270-nees-megales-ependyseis-allazoun-to-topio-sta-logisticsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-82926214352284050352018-02-08T21:48:01.683+01:002018-02-08T21:48:01.683+01:00Please be careful....
http://www.gazzetta.gr/plus...Please be careful....<br /><br />http://www.gazzetta.gr/plus/diethni/article/1195837/o-aynanismos-skotonei-80-100-germanoys-ton-hronoAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-15273212565736881402018-02-08T20:27:26.580+01:002018-02-08T20:27:26.580+01:00To Urs at February 7, 2018 at 7:01 PM
And why do ...To Urs at February 7, 2018 at 7:01 PM<br /><br />And why do you think this is?<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-31053826398256172752018-02-08T20:24:33.221+01:002018-02-08T20:24:33.221+01:00International Capitalism: it's all Greece'...International Capitalism: it's all Greece's fault.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-35607456777758997512018-02-08T18:58:41.397+01:002018-02-08T18:58:41.397+01:00Obviously Olaf is the product of horse trading. Bu...Obviously Olaf is the product of horse trading. But he comes at a time that it makes little difference for Greece who the German FM is.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-15452262924420026792018-02-08T17:13:29.282+01:002018-02-08T17:13:29.282+01:00As regards Greece, I expect Olaf Scholz to be a mu...As regards Greece, I expect Olaf Scholz to be a much more pleasant via-à-vis than Schäuble was. He does, however, have the reputation of being a disciplined politician so don't expect freebees. If Schäuble was seen by many as destructive, Scholz will probably be seen as constructive. <br /><br />BTW, the Finance Ministry seems to have been Merkel's price for being able to continue her career. There is no objective reason why a coalition partner who has become significantly weaker than in the previous coalition should get more power in the new coalition. The SPD must have put the screws on Merkel: "either give us the Finance Ministry or there won't be a coalition and if there is no coalition, there will not be a government, there will be new elections and you won't be the CDU's candidate in those elections". Some (few) people think that Merkel made the sacrifice for God and Fatherland at the expense of her party but those are the believers.kleinguthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12491174042954678023noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-14706335522484945382018-02-08T14:32:05.534+01:002018-02-08T14:32:05.534+01:00Urs:
What if I told you that Greece is sitting on...Urs:<br /><br />What if I told you that Greece is sitting on $7 Trillion (yes, you heard right $7 Big effing Trillion) of hydrocarbon deposits? Would you then stop concerning yourself with the Greek shipowners, who by the way have to transport the stuff to global markets for use?<br /><br />https://slpress.gr/oikonomia/endeixeis-yparxis-gigantiaion-koitasmaton-stin-ellada/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-80933142852982142572018-02-08T14:16:29.928+01:002018-02-08T14:16:29.928+01:00Urs:
Because Berlin taxes and Greek taxes are one...Urs:<br /><br />Because Berlin taxes and Greek taxes are one and the same.<br /><br />Btw, how would you justify for an enterprise whose business is to move global merchandise by sea to pay taxes in a land location? Is the sea part of land? How do you make the connection of where taxes needed to be paid when the very nature of the business is to be everywhere but in the specific land registry location?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-64003323622116839612018-02-08T11:54:57.539+01:002018-02-08T11:54:57.539+01:00@ URS.
Yes that as well, and they are in good comp...@ URS.<br />Yes that as well, and they are in good company, even MSC's owners, the Italian Aponte family, have pitched their tent in Geneva.<br />Lennard.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-22956413197731385082018-02-08T10:24:07.575+01:002018-02-08T10:24:07.575+01:00Why on earth should I (based in Zug and Zurich) wa...Why on earth should I (based in Zug and Zurich) want Greek shipowners to pay Berlin taxes? The more interesting question is why you don’t want them to pay Greek taxes.<br /><br />UrsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-65059213448273334972018-02-08T09:13:36.657+01:002018-02-08T09:13:36.657+01:00Exactly, the only "greek" in the Greek s...Exactly, the only "greek" in the Greek shipping business are the greek surnames of the major shareholders. Nothing else.<br /><br />You could actually make the hypothesis that they are successful, BECAUSE they have NOTHING to do with Greek business or the Greek state!ΚΚhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01049711713205025495noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-54699757730566551542018-02-08T03:00:41.937+01:002018-02-08T03:00:41.937+01:00"Running Greece" according to the German..."Running Greece" according to the German plan? I think you are a bit late in the game. Some Greek think tanks are on to you already:<br /><br />https://slpress.gr/diethni/germaniki-yponomefsi-me-anakalypsi-ethnotiton-sta-valkania/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-34869594336713670532018-02-07T22:27:37.994+01:002018-02-07T22:27:37.994+01:00Tough times for the New Democracy idiots. These gu...Tough times for the New Democracy idiots. These guys will never see power again:<br /><br />http://www.tornosnews.gr/en/greek-news/economy/29922-european-commission-greek-economy-to-grow-by-2-5-in-2018-and-2019.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-8625786755986236632018-02-07T19:06:07.169+01:002018-02-07T19:06:07.169+01:00You want Greek shipowners to pay Berlin taxes? The...You want Greek shipowners to pay Berlin taxes? They are not that stupid you know.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-30267052773797487672018-02-07T19:01:16.094+01:002018-02-07T19:01:16.094+01:00I might add
-Take up residence in Switzerland
Urs...I might add<br />-Take up residence in Switzerland<br /><br />UrsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5882645467378797266.post-59855422929550616802018-02-07T15:32:31.939+01:002018-02-07T15:32:31.939+01:00Klaus:
The Greeks are people of the sea. In contr...Klaus:<br /><br />The Greeks are people of the sea. In contrast, the Germans and Austrians are people of the land.<br /><br />The big difference between people of the sea and people of the land is that you have to be smart to survive in the sea. Not so, if you have to survive on land. Fools could easily survive on land by sticking together like the proverbial "school of fish" (pun intended), adopting the same opinions, punishing differentiation and demand obedience.<br /><br />Therefore, I have to assume that you are not aware of such key difference when you ask seafaring people to become bureaucrats and administrators of land matters. No seafaring person worth his/her salt (pun intended again) would ever deal with land nonsense.<br /><br />Btw, the new economy minister of Germany is Mr. Olaf. What do we know about him?<br /><br />https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olaf_ScholzAnonymousnoreply@blogger.com